Arab-Indians the Saga finishes

Having spotted the Arab-Indian List and its morph possibilities.

Once I had virtually finished off all my Arab figures I mentioned earlier I realised that they could easily morph into the Arab-Indian list with the addition of a few more figures [always the way].

So I had a look through my unpainted lead mountain and came across a pile of Tin Soldier Indians from a long abandoned project. I worked out what I needed to paint up and sent off a small order to Tin Soldier. Meanwhile I saw a cheap but badly based Indian army on EBay. They were based up for Impetus so would have to be re based if I bought them. I submitted a bid and since no one else also bid I won so I ended up with a sizable collection of Indian troops to refurbish.

The Tin Soldier figures paint up really well and the morph came together fairly quickly. I still have more Tin Soldier Cavalry and Archers to paint up but since I have added the EBay purchase collection I don't need to paint them for now.

Before people wonder about the shields I consulted Duncan Head about Sindi troops and he recommended I paint them up with Black Lacquered Shields as this was a traditional thing for most Indian armies.

Long term I can add to this collection and eventually turn it into an Hindu Indian or even Later Muslim Indian army.

Tin Soldier Irr Ps S

Tin Soldier Irr Bd F

Tin Soldier Irr Bw I

EBay Purchase Irr Bw I [Chariot Figures?]

EBay Purchase Irr Cv I [Chariot Figures?]

Tin Soldier Indian Elephant [and yes it is really large]

EBay Purchase Irr Ps O [Chariot Figures?]

EBay Purchase Indian Scouts Irr LH O [Chariot Figures?]

Museum Miniatures Baggage Elephants

Museum Miniatures Camel Drawn DBE Baggage Elements

Six EBay Purchase Irr El O

In addition to the above I refurbished the following figures which I will be selling on as they are of no use to me at this time. Two Irr WWg O, three Irr Kn F and six Irr Bw I elements.

Have now sold the two War Wagons to a club mate and the Archers sold on EBay which is a result. So now I have started to play around with the list to see if I can get a viable army to try out in the next few months. 

UPDATE - I am lending the Arab-Indian Army to a club mate on Sunday 19th October to play against so will be able to see first hand how it performs.

Early Armenians the final figures finally finished

Early Armenian last figures added to finish off the army.

Finally finished off the Irr Cv S/Irr Kn F figures that kick in towards the end of the Early Armenian army list that replace the Cataphracts. I am quite pleased with the effect. I used QRF Parthians on half armoured mounts with an odd fully armoured cataphract to represent the CinC. I lifted the flags from the Wikipedia page on Ancient Armenia.

A total of 20 elements including four command stands in the front row.

Home From Iceni 2014 in Hoveton

Coltishall Cowards 500 AP DBM Doubles Tournament

Arrived home after a tiring weekend of rolling dice, cursing a succession of 1's yet still managing to achieve third place after holding the eventual winners to a 5-5 Draw [Jer Morgan/John Calvert] and narrowly beating the second place team 6-4 [John Graham-Leigh/Russell King]. Jer/John and John/Russ were tied for first place but John/Russ lost out on count back due to my winning my game against them.

I learnt a few new things by playing who are probably the best UK DBM players.

Heres my army list.

ICENI 2014 DBM 2014 List 500 AP v3.3 [Date chosen 963 AD]

3/43 Khurasanian [MM list] Samanid 927 AD – 999 AD

Dry. Ag 1. Rv, H[S], H[G], Rd, O, E, RGo, BUA, D

[Rv, DH, RH, GH, Rd, O, E, R or SF, G, BUAf, Samanids only: D or G, Oa]

Command 1

1 x CinC Reg Cv S 30 AP

6 x Ghulam Reg Cv S 60 AP

12x Khurosani armoured spearmen Reg Sp O 60 AP

6 x Khurosani infantry archers Reg Ps O 12 AP [Ps may support Sp]

4 x Khurosani infantry archers Reg Bw O 20 AP

2 x Kumajis or other hillmen Irr Ax O 6 AP

31/28/9.5 [188 AP] [25%=7 EE]

Command 2

1 x Sub-general Reg Cv S 30 AP

6 x Khurosani noble cavalry Irr Cv S 54 AP

4 x Khurosani skirmishers Irr LH F 16 AP

4 x Bedouin Arabs Irr LH O 20 AP

4 x Mercenary Turks Irr LH S 28 AP

6 x Dailami zupin-men Reg Ax S 27 AP

3 x Dailami archers Reg Ps O 6 AP [can support zupin-men]

1 x Khurosani infantry archers Reg Ps O 2 AP [Ps may support Sp]

2 x Hashayrian levies Irr Hd O 2 AP

31/28/9.5 [185 AP] [25%=7 EE]

Command 3

1 x Sub-general Reg Cv S 30 AP

1 x Elephants Irr El O 16 AP

2 x Kumajis or other hillmen Irr Ax O 6 AP

4/4/2 [52 AP] [25%= 1 EE]

Command 4 – Ziyarid Ally [Buyid 3/58]

1 x Ally-general Irr Ax S 9 AP

13 x Dailami Irr Ax S 52 AP

7 x Dailami archers Irr Ps O 14 AP [can support zupin-men]

21/17.5/6 [75 AP] [25%= 4.5 EE]

Command 5

8 x Baggage Irr Bg I 0 AP

8/0/0 [0 AP]

Army [500 AP]

87/77.5/39 to break

Over the weekend I used mobile baggage, on reflection I should have taken immobile baggage but I guess I could have just declared that all my camels were tethered. I never had to move them and being immobile I would not have to hold them if a command broke.

Heres are a few pictures of the first days two games. Being engrossed in playing games on the Sunday meant I forgot to take any pictures.

Roll Call 2012 DBM Army Choice

Not a good year for the Romans

Here's the army I chose to use for this theme, It was a very poor choice as I finished last and was totally outclassed by the other armies and the oldest army taken by at least 100 years from memory. I still think the list has merits but only against historic enemies.

If v3.3 is adopted I will have to redo the list slightly because of the changes to the AP costs of Sp [S] and El [I]. The Marian Roman army list is probably slightly better than this one at 400 AP.

Polybian Roman 275 BC - 105 BC DBMM Army List Greece 198 BC to 190 BC v3.2 Points

Warm. Ag 3. S, L, Rv, DH, SH, GH, O, V, M, RF, F, PRd, Rd, BUAf.

E: 1/47, 1/48, 2/5, 2/8, 2/9, 2/11, 2/14, 2/19, 2/31, 2/32, 2/34, 2/35, 2/39, 2/40, 2/44, 2/45.

[WW, Rv, H[S], H[G], O, V, M, Rgo, Rd, BUA] Command 1 1 x CinC - Titus Quinctius Flamininus Reg Cv [O] 8 x Roman Legion/Italian Alae Hastati/Principes Reg Bd [O] 4 x Macedonian [or Thracian] volunteers Reg Ax [O] 13 E/13 EE/5 D [25%=4 EE] Command 2 1 x Sub-general - Publius Sulpicius Reg Cv [O] 2 x Tarantines Reg LH [O] 4 x Triarii Reg Sp [S] 4 x Illyrian foot Irr Ax [S] 6 x Italian allied cavalry Reg Cv[O] 2 x Velites Reg Ps [S] [can support any Cv] 4 x Ligurian infantry Irr Ax [S] 1 x Elephants Irr [I] 24 E/23 EE/8 D [25%=6 EE] Command 3 1 x Sub-general - Publius Villius Reg Cv [O] 2 x Roman Cavalry Reg Cv [O] 9 x Roman Legion/Italian Alae Hastati/Principes Reg Bd [O] 2 x Italian Extraordinarii Reg Ax [S] 7 x Velites Reg Ps [S] [can support any Cv] 2 x Macedonian [or Thracian] volunteers Reg Ax [O] 1 x Achianan peltasts Reg Ps [S] 24 E/20 EE/7 D [25%=5 EE] Army Baggage 6 x Immobile Baggage Irr Bg [O] 8 x Temporary Fortifications for camp TF Army  61 E/ 56 EE/28 Break

ICENI 2014 Runners and Riders

ICENI 2014 at Coltishall Cowards on 13/14 September 2014

DBM v3.3, 500 AP Doubles. Based on DBM or DBMM Lists Books, to 1500 AD.

Armies Chosen and players:

Villanovan Italian, 650 BC                 Paul Apreda/Harri Apreda                              DBMM

Early Achaemenid Persian, 550BC    Kevin Everard/Robin Honey-Frazer                DBM

Alexandrian Imperial, 324BC             Andy Brooker                                                DBMM

Asiatic Early Successor, 320BC         Richard Gill                                                    DBM

Later Carthaginian, 250BC                 John Brooker /Martin Mitchell (Sa)/Mark Allison (Su)DBMM

Middle Imperial Roman, 240AD        Bill Edney/Haiden Fisher                                 DBMM

Ch’iang & Ti (Former Ch’in), 383AD Jer Morgan/John Calvert                                DBMM

Hunnic, 408AD                                  Duncan Thompson                                          DBM

Sha-T’o Turkish, 910AD                    John Vaughan/Peter Goodrick                        DBM

Khurasanian (Samanid), 963AD         Drew Jarman                                                  DBMM

Welsh, 1403AD                                  Kevin Baker/Neil Baker                                DBMM

Ottoman, 1453AD                              John Graham-Leigh/Russell King                    DBMM

Round 1:

1.Paul Apreda/Harri Apreda                           v          2.Kevin Everard/Robin Honey-Frazer

Villanovan Italian, 650 BC                                         Early Achaemenid Persian, 550BC

3. Andy Brooker                                             v          4.Richard Gill

Alexandrian Imperial, 324BC                                     Asiatic Early Successor, 320BC

5.John Brooker /Martin Mitchell                     v          7.Jer Morgan/John Calvert

Later Carthaginian, 250BC                                         Ch’iang & Ti (Former Ch’in), 383AD

6.Bill Edney/Haiden Fisher                            v          8.Duncan Thompson

Middle Imperial Roman, 240AD                                Hunnic, 408AD

9.John Vaughan/Peter Goodrick                     v          10. Drew Jarman

Sha-T’o Turkish, 910AD                                            Khurasanian (Samanid), 963AD

11.Kevin Baker/Neil Baker                             v          12.John Graham-Leigh/Russell King

Welsh, 1403AD                                                          Ottoman, 1453AD

An interesting mix of armies that may lead to some very odd contests after round 1.

Found this Arab Conquest list whilst browsing my emails

Using Arab Conquest

Arab Conquest - Arabia 631 AD-632 AD

Ag4, H[S], O, RGo, D, BUA

[no roads or WW]

Command 1

CinC 1 x Irr Cv O 17 AP
1 x Irr Cv O 7 AP
1 x Irr LH O 5 AP
20 x Irr Bd O 100 AP
1 x Irr WWg I 2 AP

E 24/EE 26/D 9 [25%=6.5 EE] [131 AP]

Command 2
Sub G 1 x Irr Cv O 17 AP
8 x Irr Bd O 40 AP
4 x Irr Bw O 16 AP
3 x Irr Ax O 9 AP
2 x Irr Ps S 6 AP
2 x Irr Ps O 4 AP
1 x Irr Cv S 9 AP
1 x Irr Cv O 7 AP
1 x Irr LH O 5 AP
1 x Irr LH I 3 AP

E 24/EE 22/D 7.5 [25%=5.5 EE] [116 AP]

Command 3
Sub G 1 x Irr Cv O 17 AP
8 x Irr Bd O 40 AP
4 x Irr Bw O 16 AP
3 x Irr Ax O 9 AP
2 x Irr Ps S 6 AP
2 x Irr Ps O 4 AP
1 x Irr Cv S 9 AP
1 x Irr Cv O 7 AP
1 x Irr LH O 5 AP
1 x Irr LH I 3 AP

E 24/EE 22/D 7.5 [25%=5.5 EE] [116 AP]

Command 4

Sub G 1 x LH O [Nomad Sub] [15 AP]
3 x LH O [15 AP]

E 4/EE 4/D 2 [25%=1 EE] [30 AP]

6 x Immobile Baggage Irr Bg O+ 7 TF [7 AP]

76 E/74 EE/37 EE to Break Army

Three identical sized commands to maximize deployment options, with the micro command to deploy second.

Whilst Wb S are OK they need to be four deep to resist knights whilst Bd O can resist only two deep allowing a much wider frontage of open ground to be covered by the CinC’s command which will also allows for a flank march option or combined assault by the other two large commands.

The Irr WWg I option is the MM specific encouraging women classed as Irr Bge S in MM element that two list checkers have said they would allow. Lawrence and JGL said they would allow it in any list they checked.

Not used it as it was more of a design exercise but I think it may have some merit.

Braunschweig-Wolfenbuttel's Wargames World: Yet Another Army Created Out of A Morph

Braunschweig-Wolfenbuttel's Wargames World: Yet Another Army Created Out of A Morph: Whilst Researching for Iceni I had looked at Arab-Indian List as a possible morph a while back. The Khurosanian Army List allows the Saff...