Tuesday, 8 December 2015

George Warrens Papal Italian List from Westbury 2012

It Only Vaporised Just Like Mine Twice!


John Graham-Leigh kindly hunted out George's Papal Italian list for me so I could compare its design to mine. It looks like he used the DBM version list. It was a themed tournament 1300 AD, John said it ended up being ridden down twice by Feudal French, drew with Feudal Spanish and beat Feudal English so did better than my version! If v3.3 gets adopted George would save 10 AP from his CinC and 2 AP from his Papal Guards Reg Sp S allowing him to buy even more rubbish!

  1        Reg Kn(O) C-in-C                                32
  1        Irr Kn(S)                                               12
  7        Irr Kn(O)                                               70
  2        Reg Sp(S)                                              14
  6        Reg Sp(O)                                             30
  4        Reg Bw(O)                                           20
  8        Reg Ps(O)                                             16

  1        Reg Kn(O) Ally-General                      22
  1        Reg Wwg(I)                                            3
  1        Reg Bw(X) double-based with
  1        Reg Bw(O)                                           10
18        Reg Sp(I)                                              72

  1        Reg Kn(O) Ally-General                      22
  1        Reg Wwg(I)                                            3
  1        Reg Bw(X) double-based with
  1        Reg Bw(O)                                           10
16        Reg Sp(I)                                              64

71 elements                                                     400
71 equivalents – break point 35.5


Command I – C-in-C.  29 elements, 25 equivalents, break point 8.5

Command II – Ally.  22 elements, 24 equivalents, break point 8


Command III – Ally.  20 elements, 22 equivalents, break point 8

Sunday, 6 December 2015

Medieval Germans v Teutonics

As Xmas approaches


As Xmas approaches I have been using the spare time to try out new armies. Todays game was no different. I had been sent Corbon Fishers Medieval German list that he used back in 2008 under DBM v2.x. I rejigged it to take into account the changes to DBM since 2008 and came up with a list that looked as it is had some merit. 400 AP DBM v3.2
The army has three commands including a Swiss Ally.
C1 - CinC 29 E/25 EE/8.5 D/25%=6.5 EE
C2 - Sub 29 E/24.5 EE/8.5 D/25%=6.5 EE
C3 - Swiss 17 E/15.5 EE/5.5 D/25%=4 EE
Army - 75 E/65 EE/32.5 B

Andy's Teutonics also consisted of three commands.
C1 - CinC 16 E/16 EE/6 D/25%=4 EE
C2 - Sub 27 E/20 EE/7 D/25%=5 EE
C3 - Sub 20 E/20 EE/7 D/25%=5 EE
Army - 63 E/56 EE/28 B

We rolled for aggression and I was the defender, hardly surprising given the difference of 3 between our armies aggression ratings.

The terrain placement wasnt too bad and I think I had my deployment in the right places. Even the Swiss were reliable though their very low PIP dice scored for most of the game meant they were not really in a position to make too much impact against the Teutonic forces.

I was slowly advancing to contact and seemed to be doing OK until the bowmen contacted my Free Canton contingent which bounced off the first bound, lost two elements to shooting the second bound and finally another four elements to a combination of combats between the crossbowmen and spearmen.

Andy had managed to redeploy his Teutonic knights opposite my knight contingent and we advanced to contact. I bounced off all along the line in the first round of combat, lost a wedge to a 6-1 in the second bound and it was all down hill after that. His S rating often saved his knights when he rolled low but with the overlaps against me. I couldn't even beat a single overlapped element of Reg Bw O with a wedge on a starting score of 4-3.

I seemed to have a succession of low rolls which lost me the command and with it the game as I could not see anything else I could do to save the CinC at this time so I conceded the game at this point. I had killed a total of two Teutonic knights and two crossbowmen elements but whilst I was still 7.5 EE away from total defeat it was only a matter of time before that happened and I could not see anyway off managing to destroy any of his elements whilst he rolled up my line.
So a 10-0 loss or 31-1 in BHGS terms.

The list does have some merit and Andy did say I seemed to have a series of bad dice rolls with lots of 1's and 2's when it made a lot of difference to my ability to survive.

Below are a series of pictures taken during the game up to the point just before I lost the CinC's command.













Wednesday, 25 November 2015

Archers - I Don't Need No Stinking Archers!

Finally Finished My Dark Age/Feudal Archers


With this last batch of painting and rebasing I have enough archers to field a South Welsh army and also the Regular Mercenary Archers that appear in the Medieval German and Feudal French lists. I still have over 120 archer figures left to paint but these will all be sold off if I do paint them.

Figures I am keeping:

12 x Reg Bw O [unknown make]

12 x Irr Bw O [unknown make]

20 x Irr Bw O [Essex Miniatures]

8 x Irr Bw O [mixed makes]

12 x Reg Ps O [unknown makes]

12 x Irr Ps O [Essex Miniatures]

 Figures I am selling off:

8 x Irr Bw O [unknown make] 
other view of above

10 x Irr Bw O [Essex Miniatures]

other view of above

10 x Irr Bw O [RED] [unknown make]

other view of above

close up of above

10 x Irr Bw O [GREEN] [unknown make]

other view of above

close up of above

10 x Irr Bw O [BLUE] [unknown make]

other view of above

close up of above

15 x Irr Bw O [Essex Miniatures]

other view of above

Tuesday, 17 November 2015

Hungarian Light Cavalry for use in my Medieval German Army

15mm Feudal & Medieval Hungarian Light Cavalry

Having seen there were two distinctive phases when the Medieval Germans used Hungarian Light Cavalry in their armies I wondered if there was much difference in their dress style. After asking a couple of history sages on the WWW and finding out there was I ended up buying two batches of figures to enable me to field historically accurate looking figures depending on when I chose to date my Medieval Army list from.

The first group are for the 12th Century and I was recommended to buy the following figures:
http://www.blackhat.co.uk/product/fe-14-hungarian-light-cavalry/
They were nicely sculpted castings and painted up nicely.



The second group are for the 13th Century and I was recommended to buy the following figures:
http://www.mirliton.it/index.php?cName=historical-15mm-condottieri Ref CC006 as they were galloping but you can also buy CC005 which are walking. Mirliton figures are also very nice.





Sunday, 15 November 2015

Trying Out A 4 General Polybian Roman Army

Polybians Take Down Queen Zenobia

Despite grave misgivings about using my Polybian Romans ever since their disastrous result at Roll Call in 2012 and my running over two versions at the Challenge 2015 with my Samanids I decided to try them out again. Peter K is due to play in the DBM Club Tournament Final against Richard G's Middle Imperial Romans on Sunday 20th December so asked me to run out some Romans so he could get in some more practice as it had been a few months since he had used them in anger. We used DBM v3.2 400 AP.

Peters army consisted of four commands including the usual 7 element  Arab Nomad Ally.

His army was organised as follows:
C1 CinC 20 E/18.5 EE/6.5 D [25%=5 EE]
C2 Sub 16 E/15 EE/5 D [25%=4 EE]
C3 Sub 15 E/14 EE/5 D [25%=3.5 EE]
C4 Ally 7 E/7 EE/3 D [25%=2 EE]
Army 58 E/54.5 EE/27.5 B

I struggled and struggled to get some sort of viable command structure and decided that I would try out the Pergamene Ally contingent option [P] in the MM version list that allows you use use them as if they were a 4th Reg sub-general.

Polybian Roman 275 BC - 105 BC DBMM Army List
Greece 198 BC to 190 BC [v3.2 AP]
Warm. Ag 3. S, L, Rv, DH, SH, GH, O, V, M, RF, F, PRd, Rd, BUAf.
[WW, Rv, H[S], H[G], O, V, M, Rgo, Rd, BUA]

1 x CinC - Titus Quinctius Flamininus Reg Cv O 28 AP
1 x Sub-general - Publius Sulpicius Reg Cv O 28 AP
1 x Sub-general - Publius Villius Reg Cv O 28 AP
1 x Pergamene sub-general [P] - Eumenes Reg Cv O 28 AP
2 x Roman cavalry Reg Cv O 16 AP
1 x Pergamene cavalry [P] Reg Cv O 8 AP
1 x Galatian cavalry [P] Irr Cv O 7 AP
2 x Tarantines Reg LH O 10 AP
16 x Roman Legion/Italian Alae Hastati/Principes Reg Bd O 96 AP
4 x Triarii Reg Sp S 28 AP
4 x Italian Extraordinarii Reg Ax S 18 AP
4 x Mercenary Peltasts [P] Reg Ps S 12 AP
2 x Cretans [P] Reg Ps O 4 AP
2 x Cretans Reg Ps O 4 AP
6 x Baggage [fortified] Irr Bg O 0 AP
7 x Ditch and Paliasade for camp TF 7 AP
Only from 211 BC:
5 x Upgrade Italian allied cavalry to: Reg Cv O 40 AP
8 x Upgrade leves to Velites [can support any Cv] Reg Ps S 24 AP
Only in Greece or Asia from 198 BC:
Aitolian allies- List: Hellenistic Greek [Bk 2/31] or Pergamene allies - List: [Bk/2/34]
Only in Greece or Asia from 198 BC to 190 BC, Spain from 134 BC to 133 BC, or Gaul in 121 BC:
1 x Elephants Irr El I 14 AP

My army was organised as follows:
C1 CinC
1 x CinC - Titus Quinctius Flamininus Reg Cv O
1 x Tarantines Reg LH O
8 x Roman Legion/Italian Alae Hastati/Principes Reg Bd O
2 x Triarii Reg Sp S
2 x Italian Extraordinarii Reg Ax S
4 x Upgrade leves to Velites [can support any Cv] Reg Ps S
18 E/16 EE/5.5 D [25%=4 EE]

C2 Sub
1 x Sub-general - Publius Sulpicius Reg Cv O
1 x Tarantines Reg LH O
8 x Roman Legion/Italian Alae Hastati/Principes Reg Bd O
2 x Triarii Reg Sp S
2 x Italian Extraordinarii Reg Ax S
4 x Upgrade leves to Velites [can support any Cv] Reg Ps S
18 E/16 EE/5.5 D [25%=4 EE]

C3 Sub
1 x Sub-general - Publius Villius Reg Cv O
1 x Elephants Irr El I
2 E/2 EE/1 D [25%=0.5 EE]

C4 Sub
1 x Pergamene sub-general [P] - Eumenes Reg Cv O
2 x Roman cavalry Reg Cv O
1 x Pergamene cavalry [P] Reg Cv O
1 x Galatian cavalry [P] Irr Cv O
4 x Mercenary Peltasts [P] Reg Ps S
2 x Cretans [P] Reg Ps O
2 x Cretans Reg Ps O
5 x Upgrade Italian allied cavalry to: Reg Cv O
18 E/14 EE/5 D [25%=3.5 EE]

Army 56 E/48 EE/24 B

The four regular dice in theory game me plenty of PIP's to use with at least one command but I still had one bound where I rolled three 2's and a 1! I was PIP starved on a few bounds despite rolling four dice which allowed Peter to redeploy his Nomad ally right across the table width whilst I slowly pushed forward along my entire front line.

The army list has given me a potential building block basis to create a 500 AP list version. If used with v3.3 AP changes, the Irr El I costs 15 AP and the Reg Sp S cost 18 AP giving a net saving of 3 AP. I would then use this to purchase an additional Mercenary Peltast [P] Ref Ps S to go into command 4 and move one of the generic Cretan Archers Reg Ps O into command 3 to maintain the three 18 element command structure. This increases the army Break Point by 0.5 EE and the command 3 Dem level slightly. I would use the additional Ps in command 3 to sit at the back in some RGo near to the camp out of harm's way.

Peter and I played at a leisurely pace which of course means that this army took ages to get a result. I pushed through my elephant over to my far right flank which generated a Mexican standoff and Peter started to fall back as my elephants approached his cataphracts.

My Triarii were the most effective infantry on the day which allows me to knock open a gap in the enemy CinC's line and after my legionaries managed to resist Peters central Cataphract charge when I killed one at the second attempt the mounting losses meant his CinC's command broke and ran. I was slowly chipping off odd elements elsewhere which meant I was only three elements from breaking his army when I spotted that Peter had pushed his Nomad ally generals LH element a bit too far forward which allowed me to get two of my Italian allied cavalry into contact and of course Peter was unlucky and rolled a one meaning his ally general died. In his turn he rolled a 1 meaning his ally broke and with it his entire army.

I won 10-0 which works out as 30-2 using the BHGS scoring system as I lost 6 EE which was 12.5% of my army.

Here are some pictures of todays game.