Tuesday, 30 September 2014

DBM Armies I Can Field With A Little Morphing In Some Cases

Just Checked The DBM Army List Books To Check Possible Armies I Can Field


Book 1 – 1 possibility
51. Later Assyrian Neo-Sargonid. 680 BC - 609 BC.

Book 2:- 10 possibilities
23. Later Pre-Islamic Arab. 312 BC - 633 AD. [500 AD ish onwards]
28. Early Armenian and Gordyene. 300 BC - 627 AD.
33. Polybian Roman. 275 BC - 105 BC.
34. Attalid Pergamene 263 BC - 129 BC.
36. Graeco-Bactrian 250 BC - 130 BC and Graeco-Indian. 170 BC - 55 BC. [with some fudging only Graeco-Indian]
37. Parthian. 250 BC - 225 AD.
40. Numidian or Early Moorish. 215 BC - 25 AD.
46. Kushan. 135 BC - 477 AD. [possible with some subs]
49. Marian Roman. 105 BC - 25 BC.
57. Later Moorish. 25 AD - 696 AD. [Numidian morph?]

Book 3:- 34 possibilities
1.   Early Slav. 476 AD - 1218 AD.
11. Central Asian Turkish. 550 AD - 1330 AD.
18. Breton 580 AD - 1072 AD.
19. Welsh 580 AD - 1420 AD.
21. Italian Lombard. 584 AD - 1076 AD. [from my Normans]
25. Arab Conquest. 622 AD - 660 AD.
28. Carolingian Frankish. 639 AD - 888 AD.[from my Normans only Charlemagne]
31. Umayyad Arab. 661 AD - 750 AD.
33. Early Muslim North Africa and Sicily. 696 AD - 1160 AD.
34. Andalusian 710 AD - 1172 AD.
35. Feudal Spanish 718 AD - 1340 AD.
37. Abbasid Arab. 747 AD - 945 AD.
38. Arab Indian. 751 AD - 1206 AD,
40. Norse Viking and Leidang.790 AD - 1280 AD.
42. Sha-t'o Turkish. 808 AD - 951 AD. [morphed arabs]
43. Khurasanian. 821 AD - 1003 AD.
46. Norse Irish. 846 AD - 1300 AD.
49. Tulunid or Iqshidid Egyptian. 868 AD - 905 AD and 935 AD - 969 AD.
50. Bagratid Armenian. 885 AD - 1045 AD.
51. West Frankish or Norman. 888 AD - 1072 AD.
52. East Frankish. 888 AD - 1106 AD.
53. Dynastic Bedouin. 890 AD - 1150 AD.
57. Buyid or other Dailami Dynasties. 927 AD - 1090 AD.
60. Dynastic Kurdish. 950 AD - 1085 AD.
62. Early Polish. 960 AD - 1335 AD.
65. Fatimid Egyptian. 969 AD - 1171 AD.
67. Early Hungarian. 997 AD - 1245 AD.
69. Tuareg. 1000 AD - 1880 AD.
71. Anglo-Danish. 1014 AD - 1065 AD.
72. Communal Italian. 1029 AD - 1320 AD.
73. Seljuq Turk. 1037 AD - 1276 AD.
74. Fanatic Berber. 1039 AD - 1529 AD.
76. Papal Italian. 1049 AD - 1320 AD.
78. Early Russian. 1054 AD - 1246 AD

Book 4:- 32 possibilities
2. Cilician Armenian. 1071 AD - 1375 AD.
3. Anglo-Norman. 1072 AD - 1181 AD.
4. Feudal French. 1072 AD - 1330 AD.
5. Sicilian. 1072 AD - 1442 AD. 1251 AD- 1556 AD.
6. Syrian. 1092 AD - 1286 AD.
7. Early Crusader. 1096 AD - 1128 AD.
13. Medieval German. 1106 AD - 1519 AD.
17. Later Crusader. 1128 AD - 1303 AD.
20. Ayyubid Egyptian. 1171 AD - 1250 AD.
21. Anglo-Irish. 1172 AD - 1489 AD. .
22. Serbian Empire. 1180 AD - 1459 AD.
23. Feudal English. 1181 AD - 1322 AD.
24. Khwarizmian. 1186 AD - 1246 AD.
36. Later Muslim Indian. 1206 AD -1526 AD.
41. Early Swiss. 1240 AD - 1400 AD.
42. Islamic Persian. 1245 AD - 1393 AD and 1499 AD - 1520 AD.
43. Later Hungarian. 1245 AD - 1526 AD.
45. Mamluk Egyptian. 1250 AD - 1517 AD.
49. Anatolian Turkoman. 1260 AD - 1515 AD.
54. Medieval Scandinavian. 1280 AD - 1523 AD.
61. Italian Condotta. 1320 AD - 1495 AD.
62. 100 Years War English. 1322 AD - 1455 AD.
64. Medieval French. 1330 AD - 1445 AD
65. Wallachian or Moldavian. 1330 AD - 1504 AD.
66. Later Polish. 1335 AD - 1510 AD
74. Free Company or Armagnac. 1357 AD - 1410 AD and 1444 AD.
75. Timurid. 1360 AD - 1506 AD. [?? not sure]
76. Early Burgundian. 1363 AD - 1471 AD.
77. Black Sheep and White Sheep Turkoman. 1378 AD - 1469 AD and 1387 AD - 1504 AD.
79. Later Swiss. 1400 AD - 1522 AD.
82. French Ordonnance. 1445 AD - 1503 AD.
83. Wars of the Roses English. 1455 AD - 1487 AD.

I know the list looks like a lot but in reality most of them are morphs of core armies by just adding a few missing elements. Theres probably a couple more morphs in there that I haven't considered too.
To recap: 1 Book 1, 10 Book 2, 34 Book 3 and 32 Book 4 armies.

Thursday, 25 September 2014

Arab-Indians the Saga finishes

Having spotted the Arab-Indian List and its morph possibilities.

Once I had virtually finished off all my Arab figures I mentioned earlier I realised that they could easily morph into the Arab-Indian list with the addition of a few more figures [always the way].

So I had a look through my unpainted lead mountain and came across a pile of Tin Soldier Indians from a long abandoned project. I worked out what I needed to paint up and sent off a small order to Tin Soldier. Meanwhile I saw a cheap but badly based Indian army on EBay. They were based up for Impetus so would have to be re based if I bought them. I submitted a bid and since no one else also bid I won so I ended up with a sizable collection of Indian troops to refurbish.

The Tin Soldier figures paint up really well and the morph came together fairly quickly. I still have more Tin Soldier Cavalry and Archers to paint up but since I have added the EBay purchase collection I don't need to paint them for now.

Before people wonder about the shields I consulted Duncan Head about Sindi troops and he recommended I paint them up with Black Lacquered Shields as this was a traditional thing for most Indian armies.

Long term I can add to this collection and eventually turn it into an Hindu Indian or even Later Muslim Indian army.



Tin Soldier Irr Ps S


Tin Soldier Irr Bd F


Tin Soldier Irr Bw I


EBay Purchase Irr Bw I [Chariot Figures?]


EBay Purchase Irr Cv I [Chariot Figures?]


Tin Soldier Indian Elephant [and yes it is really large]



EBay Purchase Irr Ps O [Chariot Figures?]


EBay Purchase Indian Scouts Irr LH O [Chariot Figures?]


Museum Miniatures Baggage Elephants


Museum Miniatures Camel Drawn DBE Baggage Elements


Six EBay Purchase Irr El O


In addition to the above I refurbished the following figures which I will be selling on as they are of no use to me at this time. Two Irr WWg O, three Irr Kn F and six Irr Bw I elements.





Have now sold the two War Wagons to a club mate and the Archers sold on EBay which is a result. So now I have started to play around with the list to see if I can get a viable army to try out in the next few months. 
UPDATE - I am lending the Arab-Indian Army to a club mate on Sunday 19th October to play against so will be able to see first hand how it performs.



Early Armenians the final figures finally finished

Early Armenian last figures added to finish off the army.

Finally finished off the Irr Cv S/Irr Kn F figures that kick in towards the end of the Early Armenian army list that replace the Cataphracts. I am quite pleased with the effect. I used QRF Parthians on half armoured mounts with an odd fully armoured cataphract to represent the CinC. I lifted the flags from the Wikipedia page on Ancient Armenia.


A total of 20 elements including four command stands in the front row.


Monday, 15 September 2014

Home From Iceni 2014 in Hoveton

Coltishall Cowards 500 AP DBM Doubles Tournament

Arrived home after a tiring weekend of rolling dice, cursing a succession of 1's yet still managing to achieve third place after holding the eventual winners to a 5-5 Draw [Jer Morgan/John Calvert] and narrowly beating the second place team 6-4 [John Graham-Leigh/Russell King]. Jer/John and John/Russ were tied for first place but John/Russ lost out on count back due to my winning my game against them.



I learnt a few new things by playing who are probably the best UK DBM players.

Heres my army list.

ICENI 2014 DBM 2014 List 500 AP v3.3 [Date chosen 963 AD]
3/43 Khurasanian [MM list] Samanid 927 AD – 999 AD
Dry. Ag 1. Rv, H[S], H[G], Rd, O, E, RGo, BUA, D
[Rv, DH, RH, GH, Rd, O, E, R or SF, G, BUAf, Samanids only: D or G, Oa]

Command 1
1 x CinC Reg Cv S 30 AP
6 x Ghulam Reg Cv S 60 AP
12x Khurosani armoured spearmen Reg Sp O 60 AP
6 x Khurosani infantry archers Reg Ps O 12 AP [Ps may support Sp]
4 x Khurosani infantry archers Reg Bw O 20 AP
2 x Kumajis or other hillmen Irr Ax O 6 AP
31/28/9.5 [188 AP] [25%=7 EE]

Command 2
1 x Sub-general Reg Cv S 30 AP
6 x Khurosani noble cavalry Irr Cv S 54 AP
4 x Khurosani skirmishers Irr LH F 16 AP
4 x Bedouin Arabs Irr LH O 20 AP
4 x Mercenary Turks Irr LH S 28 AP
6 x Dailami zupin-men Reg Ax S 27 AP
3 x Dailami archers Reg Ps O 6 AP [can support zupin-men]
1 x Khurosani infantry archers Reg Ps O 2 AP [Ps may support Sp]
2 x Hashayrian levies Irr Hd O 2 AP
31/28/9.5 [185 AP] [25%=7 EE]

Command 3
1 x Sub-general Reg Cv S 30 AP
1 x Elephants Irr El O 16 AP
2 x Kumajis or other hillmen Irr Ax O 6 AP
4/4/2 [52 AP] [25%= 1 EE]

Command 4 – Ziyarid Ally [Buyid 3/58]
1 x Ally-general Irr Ax S 9 AP
13 x Dailami Irr Ax S 52 AP
7 x Dailami archers Irr Ps O 14 AP [can support zupin-men]
21/17.5/6 [75 AP] [25%= 4.5 EE]

Command 5
8 x Baggage Irr Bg I 0 AP
8/0/0 [0 AP]

Army [500 AP]

87/77.5/39 to break

Over the weekend I used mobile baggage, on reflection I should have taken immobile baggage but I guess I could have just declared that all my camels were tethered. I never had to move them and being immobile I would not have to hold them if a command broke.

Heres are a few pictures of the first days two games. Being engrossed in playing games on the Sunday meant I forgot to take any pictures.











Thursday, 11 September 2014

Roll Call 2012 DBM Army Choice

Not a good year for the Romans

Here's the army I chose to use for this theme, It was a very poor choice as I finished last and was totally outclassed by the other armies and the oldest army taken by at least 100 years from memory. I still think the list has merits but only against historic enemies.

If v3.3 is adopted I will have to redo the list slightly because of the changes to the AP costs of Sp [S] and El [I]. The Marian Roman army list is probably slightly better than this one at 400 AP.

Polybian Roman 275 BC - 105 BC DBMM Army List Greece 198 BC to 190 BC v3.2 Points
Warm. Ag 3. S, L, Rv, DH, SH, GH, O, V, M, RF, F, PRd, Rd, BUAf.
E: 1/47, 1/48, 2/5, 2/8, 2/9, 2/11, 2/14, 2/19, 2/31, 2/32, 2/34, 2/35, 2/39, 2/40, 2/44, 2/45.
[WW, Rv, H[S], H[G], O, V, M, Rgo, Rd, BUA]

Command 1
1 x CinC - Titus Quinctius Flamininus Reg Cv [O]
8 x Roman Legion/Italian Alae Hastati/Principes Reg Bd [O]
4 x Macedonian [or Thracian] volunteers Reg Ax [O]
13 E/13 EE/5 D [25%=4 EE]
Command 2
1 x Sub-general - Publius Sulpicius Reg Cv [O]
2 x Tarantines Reg LH [O]
4 x Triarii Reg Sp [S]
4 x Illyrian foot Irr Ax [S]
6 x Italian allied cavalry Reg Cv[O]
2 x Velites Reg Ps [S] [can support any Cv]
4 x Ligurian infantry Irr Ax [S]
1 x Elephants Irr [I]
24 E/23 EE/8 D [25%=6 EE]
Command 3
1 x Sub-general - Publius Villius Reg Cv [O]
2 x Roman Cavalry Reg Cv [O]
9 x Roman Legion/Italian Alae Hastati/Principes Reg Bd [O]
2 x Italian Extraordinarii Reg Ax [S]
7 x Velites Reg Ps [S] [can support any Cv]
2 x Macedonian [or Thracian] volunteers Reg Ax [O]
1 x Achianan peltasts Reg Ps [S]
24 E/20 EE/7 D [25%=5 EE]
Army Baggage
6 x Immobile Baggage Irr Bg [O]
8 x Temporary Fortifications for camp TF
Army 
61 E/ 56 EE/28 Break

Monday, 8 September 2014

ICENI 2014 Runners and Riders

ICENI 2014 at Coltishall Cowards on 13/14 September 2014

DBM v3.3, 500 AP Doubles. Based on DBM or DBMM Lists Books, to 1500 AD.

Armies Chosen and players:

Villanovan Italian, 650 BC                 Paul Apreda/Harri Apreda                              DBMM
Early Achaemenid Persian, 550BC    Kevin Everard/Robin Honey-Frazer                DBM
Alexandrian Imperial, 324BC             Andy Brooker                                                DBMM
Asiatic Early Successor, 320BC         Richard Gill                                                    DBM
Later Carthaginian, 250BC                 John Brooker /Martin Mitchell (Sa)/Mark Allison (Su)DBMM
Middle Imperial Roman, 240AD        Bill Edney/Haiden Fisher                                 DBMM
Ch’iang & Ti (Former Ch’in), 383AD Jer Morgan/John Calvert                                DBMM
Hunnic, 408AD                                  Duncan Thompson                                          DBM
Sha-T’o Turkish, 910AD                    John Vaughan/Peter Goodrick                        DBM
Khurasanian (Samanid), 963AD         Drew Jarman                                                  DBMM
Welsh, 1403AD                                  Kevin Baker/Neil Baker                                DBMM
Ottoman, 1453AD                              John Graham-Leigh/Russell King                    DBMM

Round 1:

1.Paul Apreda/Harri Apreda                           v          2.Kevin Everard/Robin Honey-Frazer
Villanovan Italian, 650 BC                                         Early Achaemenid Persian, 550BC

3. Andy Brooker                                             v          4.Richard Gill
Alexandrian Imperial, 324BC                                     Asiatic Early Successor, 320BC

5.John Brooker /Martin Mitchell                     v          7.Jer Morgan/John Calvert
Later Carthaginian, 250BC                                         Ch’iang & Ti (Former Ch’in), 383AD

6.Bill Edney/Haiden Fisher                            v          8.Duncan Thompson
Middle Imperial Roman, 240AD                                Hunnic, 408AD

9.John Vaughan/Peter Goodrick                     v          10. Drew Jarman
Sha-T’o Turkish, 910AD                                            Khurasanian (Samanid), 963AD

11.Kevin Baker/Neil Baker                             v          12.John Graham-Leigh/Russell King

Welsh, 1403AD                                                          Ottoman, 1453AD

An interesting mix of armies that may lead to some very odd contests after round 1.

Sunday, 7 September 2014

Found this Arab Conquest list whilst browsing my emails

Using Arab Conquest

Arab Conquest - Arabia 631 AD-632 AD
Ag4, H[S], O, RGo, D, BUA
[no roads or WW]

Command 1
CinC 1 x Irr Cv O 17 AP
1 x Irr Cv O 7 AP
1 x Irr LH O 5 AP
20 x Irr Bd O 100 AP
1 x Irr WWg I 2 AP
E 24/EE 26/D 9 [25%=6.5 EE] [131 AP]

Command 2
Sub G 1 x Irr Cv O 17 AP
8 x Irr Bd O 40 AP
4 x Irr Bw O 16 AP
3 x Irr Ax O 9 AP
2 x Irr Ps S 6 AP
2 x Irr Ps O 4 AP
1 x Irr Cv S 9 AP
1 x Irr Cv O 7 AP
1 x Irr LH O 5 AP
1 x Irr LH I 3 AP
E 24/EE 22/D 7.5 [25%=5.5 EE] [116 AP]

Command 3
Sub G 1 x Irr Cv O 17 AP
8 x Irr Bd O 40 AP
4 x Irr Bw O 16 AP
3 x Irr Ax O 9 AP
2 x Irr Ps S 6 AP
2 x Irr Ps O 4 AP
1 x Irr Cv S 9 AP
1 x Irr Cv O 7 AP
1 x Irr LH O 5 AP
1 x Irr LH I 3 AP


E 24/EE 22/D 7.5 [25%=5.5 EE] [116 AP]

Command 4
Sub G 1 x LH O [Nomad Sub] [15 AP]
3 x LH O [15 AP]
E 4/EE 4/D 2 [25%=1 EE] [30 AP]

6 x Immobile Baggage Irr Bg O+ 7 TF [7 AP]

76 E/74 EE/37 EE to Break Army

Three identical sized commands to maximize deployment options, with the micro command to deploy second.
Whilst Wb S are OK they need to be four deep to resist knights whilst Bd O can resist only two deep allowing a much wider frontage of open ground to be covered by the CinC’s command which will also allows for a flank march option or combined assault by the other two large commands.

The Irr WWg I option is the MM specific encouraging women classed as Irr Bge S in MM element that two list checkers have said they would allow. Lawrence and JGL said they would allow it in any list they checked.

Not used it as it was more of a design exercise but I think it may have some merit.

Thursday, 4 September 2014